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The Raven Knocks
True Crime/Missing Persons/Cold Cases- I decided to begin a podcast regarding true crime because I feel like some of the victim's story never gets told due to it being to graphic or not admissible in court. I also think that Justice is lost in some of these cases and it's not right. I hope I can be a voice for the ones who lost theirs and perhaps make this world a slightly better place, and have you thinking more cautiously.
The Raven Knocks
They Baby in the Dumpster
Could a mother's disdain lead to tragedy beyond imagination? Join us as we uncover the heart-wrenching story of Quentin, a sweet 20-month-old whose life was cut short by his own mother, Leilani. With testimonies from neighbors and Quentin's babysitter, Talia, we paint a picture of a child who found love and comfort in others, especially in his mother's partner, Daniel. This episode explores the chilling circumstances surrounding Quentin's disappearance, the stark neglect he faced, and the emotional turmoil that ensued as the FBI and local authorities embarked on a desperate search for his remains.
What happens when a night of reckless choices spirals into an unthinkable crime? The narrative continues with a gripping account of Leilani, her brother Paul, and Daniel, caught in a web of substance abuse and impulsive actions. We delve into the morning chaos when Quentin was found missing, highlighting the frantic responses and strained family dynamics. Amidst the seriousness, Paul's humorous tale of a police interview gone awry adds unexpected levity. We also challenge assumptions about Daniel, revealing a complex man devoted to the children despite his own struggles.
Can lies unravel under the weight of truth? As the investigation deepens, we expose Leilani's web of deception through surveillance footage and phone data, questioning her truthfulness and motives. We explore her tumultuous relationship with Daniel, tainted by paranoia and unfounded accusations. The episode concludes with a forensic exploration of Quentin's tragic death, the moral dilemmas faced by a mother seemingly devoid of love for her child, and a society grappling with the responsibilities of safeguarding its most vulnerable. Join us as we seek justice for Quentin and ponder the blurred lines between love, obsession, and accountability.
Hey Ravens, welcome to the Ravens' Knock Coming up. What could a 20-month-old baby possibly do to cause his mother to hate him from his first breath? I want you to join us as we try to figure out why a mother threw her baby in the trash and simply just walked away. Please note that the contents of this recording may contain graphic material, including death, torture of every kind and explicit language may be used. The opinions are of my own and may be offensive to some listeners. Right or wrong, they are my opinions, we all have them, and if you do not agree, then ignore them like an adult and move on. Listener, discretion is strongly advised. Hey guys, welcome to the Ravenonks. I'm your host, amy, and this is Jamie, and today we have another sad story for you guys that involves a child. So if this is a trigger for you, you may want to just skip this episode. So I'll go ahead and get started.
Speaker 1:The FBI, along with the local sheriff's department, suited up and began a heartbreaking task. They were at a landfill and they were looking for the remains of a small child. They were equipped with bone bags on their side, given fireman rags, masks, and began the five-week search. The child was 20-month-old Quentin, a very laid-back, sweet child who loved mac and cheese, blimpy and bubbles. He loved mac and cheese, blimpy and bubbles. He loved running up to you and giving you a hug and kiss and he loved everyone he met. Unfortunately, the one person who should not hesitate to move heaven and earth was the one person who hated him, and that was his mother, leilani. Simon had three children Zane, which was her oldest and favorite, quentin, of whom she despised, and a newborn named Skye. Leilani was a person who craved attention, especially male attention. She met her first boyfriend, cody, and became pregnant with Zane at a young age. A neighbor and friend said that is when she first met Liliani was through Cody. She said she treated them like kind of like a younger brother and sister. Cody and Liliani split up and Cody moved to Alabama.
Speaker 1:Later Liliani moved to Alabama too and was living with Cody, but that didn't work out, so she moved back home and we then walked in distance from that neighbor's house. She then met Quentin's father and she became pregnant with him. This relationship was very rocky from the start and she had confessed to the neighbor that if she had had an abortion maybe he wouldn't have left her. Who even says that about their own child. I don't know. Like it's his fault. I know that both of you are irresponsible. Yeah, he didn't ask to be born, and then go tell the neighbors because that's what they want to hear. She would make those statements before and after quentin was born. She would refer to quentin as the bastard child and would often tell him she wished that she had aborted him when she had the chance. Wow she. She would cuss at him, call him an asshole. When he was only 15 months old, he didn't even know what an asshole was. I know he was just being a kid. She spoke highly of Zane, though, but never of Quentin. Soon, lilliani met a guy named Daniel. She would become pregnant with their daughter Skye, and by all accounts from witness testimonies, he loved those boys like they were his own. When he wasn't working, he was constantly watching them While Liliana had done her own thing, and sometimes this would frustrate him, as he never had any time to do the things he wanted to do, but he never took it out.
Speaker 1:On the kids, a girl named Talia McCarter was their babysitter. She was 17 years old at the time. A lady from her church had been babysitting the kids, but she got to where she was no longer physically able to do so. So she asked Talia's mother if they would be interested in watching them. She was friends with Liliani's stepfather and they all went to church together. She said she couldn't, but her daughters would. She had two of the three daughters watching the kids. Her oldest was 19, but it was a 17 year old that did most of the babysitting.
Speaker 1:Talia stated that she absolutely loved Quentin. He was the sweetest child and she loved it when he ran up to her with open arms to give her a hug and kiss. She stated that Daniel was usually the one who brought the kids over in the mornings, and before him and Leilani had to work, he would usually be the one to pick them up. When Daniel would come to pick up the kids, they were glad to see him. But on the rare occasion that Leilani did, zane was happy to see her, but Quentin would cry and want to stay there with her. And soon, soon, she began to see why it sounds like that Daniel was in the life of these children and his mother, because he was the blessing to these children. Mm-hmm, because how can someone that loving to children stay with a woman who treats her kids like that. That has to be a case where he just stuck around for the kids.
Speaker 1:It was, and he later says that, yeah, one day she said leonie told her that quentin had gotten a hold of her brother's playstation controller and broken it. She called her at 4 am asking her to come to get quentin because she was so mad at him. Now would you call a babysitter, up a 17-year-old at 4 in the morning and say, hey, I need you to come get my kid because he's on my nerves? That's insane. I mean that, right there alone as the 17-year-old's mother, would make me question a whole lot. You know Well, her mother didn't let her go. She had to wait until later on in the day before she went. Good, mom, she said Leilani pushed Quentin on his chest and he fell backwards on his bottom and began to cry and reach for her.
Speaker 1:She immediately picked him up and told Leilani that that was unnecessary for her to do that. She then started to cry on the stand. On another occasion they were at Leilani's parents' home, which is where she, daniel, the three kids and her brother Paul lived, and they were out of town at the time. So it was the babysitter, leilani, the three kids. They were out back swimming in the pool. Zane was already in the water and Quentin wanted in too. So she came out and got some floaties to put on his arms, but before she could put them on, leilani pushed him into the pool and said if Zane could swim, then Quentin could too.
Speaker 1:She pushed her infant into the swimming pool, sink or swim. Yeah, he's not even two years old. What a bitch. I mean my grandfather done that to me, but I was like I don't know, nine or ten, there's a difference. Or six or seven, something like that. He just pushes off the side of the boat, sink or swim man. Yeah, but he'd seven, something like that. And he just pushes us off the side of the boat, sink or swim man. Yeah, but he probably already proven that you could dog paddle. Oh yeah, he was just trying to teach you to be a little less afraid. Yeah, I mean, I can't say I didn't. Hey, that's the way to do it. I mean, right, I've done it to my kids, but not when they're two or not even two. Right, I mean, really, I know you can't. That's abuse, man.
Speaker 1:So, um, she, the babysitter, jumped in the pool and pulled him out of the water. Quentin was crying. He was also choking, trying to get his breath. The babysitter was so upset. When she got out of the pool she asked if she could take quentin home with her and of course she said yeah, she didn't care. Of course she did so. She wrapped Quentin up in a towel and he laid his head on her shoulder. When she walked back over to the house he then laid on the couch with his teddy bear and went to sleep watching cartoons.
Speaker 1:On another occasion, leilani was smoking and told her that she didn't know why Quentin looked exactly like his father when she gave birth to him. Quentin was trying to get down the stairs at this time and the sitter had the baby in her hands. She told Leilani to help him because she had her hands full, but she said no, he could do it on his own. The sitter said no, he cannot. And as soon as she was getting that out of her mouth, quentin tripped on the first step and began to tumble down the rest of the stairs. She immediately handed Leilani the baby and ran to Quentin to pick him up. She consoled him and couldn't believe that his own mother acted as if she didn't care. But she wasn't acting. She really didn't give a no. Clearly, the setter said that she was always mad at quentin for some reason and she told her that zayn was her number one, he was her ride or die and that quentin was totally useless. Useless. The mom.
Speaker 1:On another day, the sitter was doing chores that consisted of her moving laundry to the outdoor building that contained their washer and dryer. When she walked outside she observed zane and quentin playing in the road and thereane is a, I think he is um, like three or four, like he's a toddler, he's not school age or anything yet. Geez, uh, so she hurt. I mean. She dropped the clothes that she had in her arms and ran to the kids and brought them home and her mom was like no, you take them over there, you know, and let her know that her kids was, you know, in the road. So she did, and she was pounding on the door and finally Leilani answered the door saying that she had been taking a nap. Who does that? Did you know where your kids were when you laid down? Why are the kids getting out of the house? Mm-hmm, you know, I mean, how do they keep from calling CPS at this point? Well, you'll find out.
Speaker 1:She told Leilani that she had found them playing in the road and Leilani suddenly backhanded Quentin in the face and he fell backwards, slamming his head against the concrete Almost as if it was the smallest one's fault. He couldn't even open a door. Wow, zane could open doors, but he couldn't open doors yet. But no, she just backhanded him like it was his fault. Well, first of all, she's the mother. She shouldn't have blamed either of the children. What? They're just kids. They're going to do that. They're going to be mischievous and get into shit.
Speaker 1:The sitter immediately picked him up to console him and Quentin was crying and pointing to her house, but Leilani wouldn't let her take him. She said that she hated Quentin because he looked just like his father and she wished that she could love him, but she just couldn't. What made it? Admits it right there. What makes it worse is that Quentin was calling out for Danny, which is Daniel, and she was pissed at Daniel at the time. She said that Quentin would stay weeks with her and her mom and during this time Leilani never called a check on him. Wow, the babysitter's mother stated that Leilani never brought them any clothes, diapers etc for them, but she had bought some and she also was telling Leilani's stepfather about this.
Speaker 1:She also discussed her concerns in the way that she treated Quentin. The mother was under the impression that DCS had already been involved so she didn't feel the need to report it since it'd already been reported. She said that Leilani and Daniel would pay her $30 to $40 here and there, but it was never consistent. She also noted the difference in the way Leilani treated Zane versus Quentin. She said one time she had gotten the kids a meal and she watched Leilani feed Zane but she made Quentin wait until he was finished. Then she took whatever was left and gave it to Quentin. Like you do that to a he's the smallest and you make him wait as he watches his older brother get to eat. Wow, that's torturous for a small child, that's absolutely torturous. Brother get to eat wow, that's torturous for a small child, absolutely torturous.
Speaker 1:She said that quentin often smelled of sour milk, he was dirty and often had a soiled diaper. She would immediately give them a bath and put fresh clothes on him and feed him and out of the blue she gets a call early one morning from daniel asking if they had saw quentin. Gets a call early one morning from Daniel asking if they had saw Quentin because he was missing. She dropped what she was doing and went straight over to their house. She asked Leilani if she could go inside and help her look for him, because you know he's little, he likes to hide. But she said no. Then she asked where the police were, and they hadn't called them yet. She was like, for God's sake, call the police already. And so they did, and when the police arrived, she asked to take the kids to her house while they got this all sorted out.
Speaker 1:Leilani stated that she had had a toothache the day before and her and Daniel had to leave work early so she could get the tooth pulled. And her and Daniel had to leave work early so she could get the tooth pulled. Later that night. She needed some Orgel, but didn't have any. She called the local gas station, and they didn't have any either, so she called up an old co-worker who lived close by and asked her if she had any. She said she did, and they agreed to meet at the gas station beside Leilani's house. Before she met to get the Orgel, though, she made a quick stop at 204, which was a drug dealer named Craig, and the 204 stands for the digits in his address. Interesting. Now, she said she didn't go to purchase any drugs from him but she needed to pay off a debt. And it's odd because she sent him $80 on cash app which she could have done at home, right. So does that make any sense to you? I mean, if you just had a tooth pulled and apparently you're in so much pain, would you feel like going to see the drug dealer just to pay him over the phone, when you could have done that in your bed? I call bullshit. And here's the thing If you just got a tooth pulled, most likely you've gotten pain medication. Why do you need Orgel? Don't know, don't know.
Speaker 1:While she was gone, her brother, paul, comes home from working the second shift at the factory where he, daniel and leilani all worked. He said zane was in his race car bed, quentin was in his playpen saying danny, because that was really the only thing he could say. And when he was asking dan Daniel where his sister went, he said that she had went to 204 and she would be back. And he was like well, she called and asked me at work to bring her some minis. So here they are. And so he just went out of the room, went in the kitchen, got him something to drink, went upstairs and went to bed.
Speaker 1:Hmm, now Leilani admitted that she, when she got home, she had snorted a line of cocaine. She said cocaine makes her crazy. Oh, so let's do that on purpose. Yeah, she said that after she would snort it, she would go outside and smoke some marijuana as she was hurting so bad. She said that cocaine makes her impulsive and makes her very angry, which is why she isn't going to do it anymore. Oh, after the fact.
Speaker 1:Now, sometime after Quentin is asleep, leilani kills him. She wraps him in a blanket, puts him into the Dodge Journey and they were caught on camera as well as GPS driving by the gas station and into a trailer park. She parks next to a dumpster and throws something away, drives off, comes back home and goes to bed. Now, remember Daniel's asleep. Hmm, now remember Daniel's asleep, right, you know he went to sleep right, as Paul went up and went to sleep. Leilani still hadn't came home then, so he sleeps all night.
Speaker 1:The next morning Daniel tries to wake her up for work, but she's not getting up. This leaves Daniel frustrated because they're trying to save money to get their own place because her parents had given them a time limit on how long they could stay with him. So he sends a babysitter a message and tells her that the kids would be staying home with Leilani because she wasn't going to work that morning. He thought he shouldn't have to spend money on a sitter if she was going to be home. Makes sense, yep. So he leaves the house and clocks in at the warehouse. At 6.11 am he receives a frantic call from Leilani about 9.15 am stating that Quentin was gone. She said she had gotten up and noticed that the front door was open. She said she had gotten up and noticed that the front door was open. So she closed the door and went to check on the kids when she found that Quentin was not in his pack and play and was nowhere to be found.
Speaker 1:Now I want you to pay attention to these times. At 9 15, video shows daniel running like he was running through the warehouse toward the parking lot. He blows by security and that alerts his supervisor that just so happened to be walking in. So apparently I don't know what they were doing in that factory, but apparently they had had thefts. So you had to be checked by a supervisor before you left the building and you know he just blows by running, you know right. So his manager stops him and asks him why are you running in the warehouse, which was a safety violation, and why did you blow past security, which is another violation. Well, daniel told him quickly what was going on.
Speaker 1:The supervisor testified that Daniel was in a real panic and he was crying, and it was genuine. He could see the fear in his face so he was like go, just go, yeah. Once at the house, daniel called the babysitter to see if you know, she had seen him. That is when, um, you know, she comes over and they call the police. Now paul wakes up to find cops all the way around the house. He has no idea what's going on.
Speaker 1:He told the cops about what you know he had observed the night before and he described Quentin as a super loving child and was just an angel. He said that Zane was the handful and was constantly running around. He said the boys had a great relationship with Daniel, that Daniel loved him like they were his own but complained to him about his sister. All three of them were taken down to the police station. That turned out to be a 17 hour interview. He said he remembered how long it was because they were supposed to give him a pizza and they did not, so he had to door dash a pizza to the police station and pay for it himself. Wow, he said he was still pissed about it and the FBI still owed him a pizza. Well, I would too. I'd want my pizza. That's a long time. Oh, no, kidding, and it's not like the FBI couldn't afford it. Bingo, he was so funny.
Speaker 1:On the stand, daniel would tell the police that he had met Leilani in May of 2020 through a social media dating site. Now Daniel has long hair that's in dreads. He has multiple tattoos. He also has black fingernails, so a lot of people would immediately assume, if that you got your nails painted and you're a dude and you've got your hair in dreads and all this, that maybe he was a shady character, but that would be so far from the truth. The man broke on the stand. He said that Leilani drove to North Carolina to meet him as this, where his parents lived. She stayed the night and went back home. She eventually moved in with him and his parents, but her two boys were staying with her mother at the time. They both were living with his parents and they both were working at the Love's truck stop and also later at a fast food restaurant. Oh, how we love Love's.
Speaker 1:Yes, they have clean restrooms, which is a whole lot more than I can say for the TA centers, which is a whole lot more than I can say for the TA centers. Y'all need to get your life together, man. Yes, get your bathrooms together. Yes, and it wasn't just one bathroom, like. We gave them several chances, mainly because that was the only place to go, but every bathroom was nasty, like every one of them. It's almost like they had a policy do not clean restrooms, not to mention the ta restaurants inside of those. The up charges, oh god, yeah, yeah. So, just so y'all know, if you ever go into a TA travel center that has a restaurant in it, you can almost guarantee that you're going to probably pay double the price or close to it. We stopped at a TA that had a Popeye's chicken place in it. We were just going to grab that and get back on the road. A three-piece tender meal with a drink, two sides and three-piece chicken tenders was going to be $17.99 per meal. Yep, like I like my chicken tenders, but not that much, but not that good. Anyway, they then left North Carolina and came back home and moved in with her parents and her brother. That's when she became pregnant with her little girl named Skye, and they both worked at a warehouse along with her brother.
Speaker 1:He testified that he loved the boys with all of his heart. Zane was very energetic and was always bouncing around all over the place. He described Quentin as a chill kid. He was very laid back, very loving Quentin as a chill kid. He was very laid back, very loving. Zane liked to talk a lot and so did Quentin, but you just you didn't know what Quentin was saying. When talking about the children, daniel's face would light up and you would see his smile. You can just tell that he really loved those boys. He also got choked up several times.
Speaker 1:When being questioned now, he admitted to drinking a lot and using some drugs. When all this occurred he said you had to drink or do something to live with her. And later I watched a uh, a hidden video that the fbi had put in their hotel room. And yeah, I would probably need something a little stronger than Fireball or something to deal with that, jesus. He said that the night before he had gotten Leilani some soup and had reheated some leftover spaghetti he had made. He fed the kids, bathed them and put them in their beds. He put Zane in his race car bed, he put the baby in her swing and Quentin in his pack and play. He then went to lay down and Leilani got up to go to 204. After Paul had came in, he fell asleep. He did not know that Leilani went back out to get Orgel. He had no idea about that story.
Speaker 1:Leilani's phone would later reveal a video she had posted a couple of months before the incident. It was a suicide video where she blamed Daniel for the way she was feeling. She had sent him a text message saying I want to feel beautiful, not average. I want to feel beautiful, not average. I want to be loved, not just like. I want to be able to look at you and know that I'm the only one and they're not others out there. So this was before all this went down. Yeah, I want my body to be worthy enough to show off, not to show that I've had three kids. I want to feel like I did when we first met, like I was a treasure and I was safe, not like I'm here because you don't have a choice. This message was sent on July 2022. On August the 6th, she sent Daniel a text stating to go get himself some ass. She said I know mine isn't good enough. Never was, never will be. On September the 10th, 2022, she sent. You're the reason I'm angry every day. You're the reason why I'm depressed, why I feel like I do about myself self.
Speaker 1:On august in 2022, when she makes the suicide video, she's in her car, threatening to drive into the river. She says goodbye to all of her kids, leaves them good messages, with the exception of quentin. She didn't say much to quentin. Her stepdad and her mom are still out of town, just so you guys know. And, um, I'm assuming they might have a vacation home somewhere because they were out of town, just so you guys know. And, um, I'm assuming they might have a vacation home somewhere because they were out of town, like throughout this whole thing. Wow, well, they had a pool in the backyard. They couldn't be that poor. Um, true, now, remember those times. I told you to remember earlier.
Speaker 1:So leilani had called daniel at work, stating she couldn't find Quentin at 9.15. But the house had a security system called ADT and it records any time a door is opened and closed and any time like a window has been opened and closed and closed, and anytime like a window has been open and closed. The ADT records show that someone opened the front door and left it open at 9 22 am. This was after she told Daniel that she found, checked on the kids. So obviously she lied, lies, she tells the cops the same story she had told Daniel and of course the cops came out in droves, the kids missing, it's all hands on deck. So they had helicopters, drones, a bunch of people on the ground going door to door and also searching around the home. While searching they also obtained the name and number of that friend or former co-worker that Leilani was supposed to meet for that Orgel. They also obtained video and do an extraction from all three cell phones hers, her brother's and Daniel's. Now Missy is the name of the co-worker that was supposed to have given Leilani the Orgel.
Speaker 1:But when police arrived at her door she was totally confused. She stated that she had not talked to Leilani in months. The last time she's spoken to her was when she knocked on her door to borrow a gas can and some money for gas because she ran out. They ended up having to borrow her landlord's gas can and they took her to the gas station but they left her there because she said that she had a ride coming to take her back to her car. She told her that she needed that gas can back because it was her landlord's, not hers, but she didn't return it and she didn't return the calls and messages missy made to her concerning that gas can. She said she didn't even have any orgel and hasn't spoken to her since that gas incident. So she lied about that whole thing.
Speaker 1:The chevron gas station she was supposed to have met missy out was right next to a trailer park. Now her video was spotted passing the gas station she was supposed to have met Missy out was right next to a trailer park. Now her video was spotted passing the gas station up and entering that trailer park. It also shows her dumping something in the dumpster and then leaving. It proved that she never stopped at that gas station.
Speaker 1:She would go on later to say that she met Missy outside of her house and had taken her some drugs. Missy obviously disputes this as well. The GPS on her phone, along with the videos, proves that she is lying when they done an extraction of phone, it proved that she never even made a call to Missy that day. She also failed to mention to police that she went to 204, the drug dealer's house. They ask her about this and she admits to it but denies buying drugs on that night. She tells them that other than marijuana she doesn't do any drugs and hadn't taken anything that night. Interesting doesn't do any drugs and hadn't taken anything that night. Interesting, didn't we just have a conversation about cocaine? Yeah, when they found a message between her dealer and her regarding the pill called Percocet, which is an opioid, she stated that that was for her friend Missy, who was giving her the Orgel. Sometimes she would take her drugs because Missy didn't have a dealer. She said she thought that maybe Quentin's father could have came and kidnapped him. She gave him a county that he resided in and they were able to check him out. But he was cleared.
Speaker 1:The detective stated that her demeanor was not consistent with a missing person's case. It appeared as if she was forcing herself to cry. They asked her how the door got open, because they they didn't find any forced entry and it didn't have any damage anywhere and she said the front door wasn't wide open, but just open enough for a person to get through. Other than that she didn't know. They searched the immediate area but they didn't find anything. They also took possession of her car once they got a warrant for that and they found a few blood droplets in the driver's seat. She said that she had been on her period and that was the only way blood could have gotten on her seat that she knew about, and apparently that must have been the actual truth, because nothing was done about that. I mean, they tested it and all their stuff, but it probably was her DNA.
Speaker 1:Yeah, during her phone extraction they also found a lot of text messages between her and 204, which is her drug dealer. It seemed drugs wasn't the only reason she was visiting. Oh really, yeah, it seemed as if they were having a sexual relationship. I mean, it did seem that she was at 204 a whole lot more than daniel, as a matter of fact, I don't recall you saying anything about him being there ever. No, I think he should have inspected a little bit about 204.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or, if he was just there for the kids, he probably wouldn't care. He's probably like go bitch, yeah, I mean. What's funny, though, is later I'll tell you about just how I don't want to. I don't know what the word would would be, I don't know if it'd be paranoid, or what about how she was always on his ass thinking that he was cheating. The smeller's, the feller man, I know, and all this time she's the one that's fucking it's. It happens all the time. I mean, I won't even go into it, but you and I both know, and so do the other people out here. You guys know, yeah, you're not idiots Half the time. If you're the one accusing, or if somebody's accusing you, you better like, get out your magnifying glass and be like hmm, let me see your phone, because, dude, hindsight's 20-20.
Speaker 1:Yep, they had sent videos to each other. Like one video was her masturbating to him. They also sent texts talking about all the sex they were having. Now the defense and the prosecution argued back and forth over the relevance of this. Okay, so here's, here's the thing. How about character building? Well, that's one. But the relevance was that she was claiming to be so depressed and not getting the male attention she was needing from Daniel and was kind of leaning toward this as maybe a reason to do what she had done. Sounds like that backfired, yeah, but the text proved that she was getting plenty of male attention and it was proven in the text message that she was being well satisfied. Oh, interesting, yeah, so remember those videos? Uh, I told you about the suicide video. Yeah, she goes on and on about her not getting the attention that she deserves, that she needs, and her self-esteem is shit because of dan, daniel and all this. But seems to me like she missed her calling. She should have been in Hollywood. She might not be in prison, right, she shouldn't have been a mom. That's we know, that that's yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 1:Now we'll say, like at the beginning of any new relationship, you don't really have love, but you have, like infatuation. Love begins when that newness wears off. Some people are in love with the feeling they get from the infatuation and once it ends, they think they've fallen out of love. But they just have fallen out of the infatuation. That is so typical of humans. Mm-hmm, I mean, granted, being infatuated, that feeling is amazing, but it doesn't last, it just don't.
Speaker 1:I don't think that we could maintain a state of infatuation for long periods of time without going psycho. Hmm, I don't know. Kind of reminds me, it's obsessive, it's a feeling of obsession nearly it is but it's also a feeling of pleasure. Well, I guess so, because I don't think that's why love is so blind man, I could stand to be pleasured, like Okay, this is going a little deep Before it would drive me nuts. This might get cut. Yeah, it's like okay, that's enough. I mean you know Okay. You, yeah, it's like okay, that's enough. You, I mean you know like okay, you go over there, I'm gonna go over here. Let's get back to regular so we can be normal people, because this is not. Yeah, it's dropping me crazy. Man, getting a little, we're a little too much. Okay, let me go back to the story and not go down that route hole.
Speaker 1:Um, now, women know that men change once they get comfortable in a relationship, and you know women do too. And now that you have each other one, once they get comfortable in a relationship and you know women do too. And now that you have each other one tends to get comfortable and stop showing the effort to keep the other one. Falling in love is easy, but it's the part of keeping them in the relationship. That's what's hard. Well, the thing is, love is an action. To start with, you have to work at it. It's not like you said. It is easy to fall in love. That's why they call it falling, because it's easy to fall. We know that. I do it almost every day on the way down the stairs. I do it going upstairs. That's talent. Oh, I know I can choke with nothing in my mouth and everything. Oh yeah, no, I really think that marriages should have, like driver's licenses, you know, an expiration date.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because, seriously though I mean so, my license expire every eight years. Thank God, because I probably would blow up the DMVv if I have to be there any any more often than that. But uh, you know, I think that if there was an expiration date on your marriage certificate and you had the option to renew it or don't, and then if you don't renew it, you're no longer married, I mean, why do we hold ourselves to such a standard when even the cells of our body change every seven years? No, it evolves. So why are we holding this standard?
Speaker 1:I know, I mean I think if people thought oh man, you know, my, my marriage is almost up. I better you really work at this, or whatever. She's just going to be like fuck you, I'll find somebody else. You know what I mean. Yeah, but wouldn't it be kind of funny Well, not funny, but funny if it was time to renew y'all's relationship and y'all couldn't afford the renewal fee? We broke. I love you, honey, but uh, my ass is broke. So I guess we're just gonna have to live in sin for a little while until we can renew ourselves. Our families are gonna roll over in their graves hearing us talk about the sanctity of marriage.
Speaker 1:But you know what I've learned? That traditions are religious belief systems upheld by the dead people from our past. Yeah, and I don't chew on that for a minute. I know I'm sitting there. I was going to say something. I'm like no, think, think about that first. And we just keep copying what all the dead people are making us do. Yeah, that's the way. Yeah, it's kind of like that's the way you're raised, just like that. One time I thought the church covenant was in the Bible and my dad was like no, that's not in the Bible. And I'm like well, why do we have it hanging on? Second thought, let me review this a little further, but um, anyway, um, let me get back on topic here.
Speaker 1:When confronted with the police about the video footage of her not stopping at the gas station and going to the trailer park. Guess what she said? What it was wrong. If you could have saw the look on her face okay, she looked like somebody hit her in the face with a boar. Yeah, the video evidence was wrong, but she was right. I mean, are you a complete dumbass? I want to meet the editor of that video if they inaccurately videoed physical things. I know, that's like going out. It's like going outside in the dark and saying it's daylight out here. It's like what? What are you on? Maybe in alaska, but not here. Yeah, so they show her the video for everyone.
Speaker 1:Video evidence is not a theory. It's, I know. It's like it's like dna. Like you, you can't that. That's what happened. You can't replicate this. Yes, I mean, I don't think the gas station is going through and saying, oh, she stopped here, let me edit this out, piece this together. Piece. This is the fucking gas station. They're not gonna saying, oh, she stopped here, let me edit this out, piece this together, piece this. It's a fucking gas station. They're not gonna do that. I mean, I'm lucky they even had it on tape, right, we're lucky. It's not dummy cameras, I know, because those are thieves. Yeah, that aggravates me.
Speaker 1:When there was like, oh, that camera's not working. You're like bitch, please. I'm like, come on, we're in 2024. Everybody should have their shit rolling. Let me tell you, over, you know, across the pond, y'all can tell me if it's a uk or or or where I love. Well, I don't love when a crime happens there, but when they're investigating a crime, they call it cctv. Yeah, they're Like you can't walk down the road without being recorded, because over there they figured out that people are assholes. Yeah, it's like you can't really get away with nothing there because it's like we've got you on video. By nature, the general public are assholes. Yeah. And to those people who say, well, that's a violation of my rights, well, if you don't ever do anything wrong, you don't have to worry about anything. Exactly, you know, but having somebody on tape is great. Until they say, oh, that's a lie, yep.
Speaker 1:They also confronted her with the fact that Missy denied meeting her and hadn't seen her in months. Guess what she said to that. That ain't true, yep, she was wrong, that she did meet with her and we're supposed to believe her. She also done a web search on her phone and asked it a question Is it common for a mother to have resentment or anger, questioned her thought process behind the whole thing? But it kind of leads to the premeditation of what ends up unfolding. Yeah, because this happened on October 1st at 1.10 am.
Speaker 1:He was killed between the night of october, october 4th and 5th, so one o'clock in the morning she's ruminating on why she hates her kids so much and then she's questioning the ethics of it. If you hated your child so much, why not take him and give him up? Give him up for adoption? Yeah, because you got to love your kid enough to give them a different environment. Yeah, I mean, it's just like you know, for some reason I can't bond with this child. My other two are fine, my feelings for them are fine, but this child, I absolutely hate this child. So it would be better off if he was with another family versus me. You know what I'm saying. Of course, that would require you to be responsible too. Huh, yeah, well, she goes to sleep and leaves all of her kids that she supposedly cares about in the street playing, right. So now the police bugged daniel's phone, as well as the hotel room they were staying in where they completed their investigation. Daniel was in full agreement with this. The wire tap lasted three months and the hotel tap was between october 7th through the 9th.
Speaker 1:An fbi anthropologist testified that she was tasked with the job of determining the bones that were found in the landfill, if they were human bones or animal bones. She had received a bucket of bones. Now the search team would empty their bag of bones that they had around their waist into a bucket to be taken across the street to be analyzed. All in all, she had made four paper bags that were going to be going back to the FBI lab for further testing. Bag one contained human tissue for further testing. Bag one contained human tissue. Bag two consisted of bones. Bag three was a partial skull bone and the fourth bag was a mixture of tissue and bones and perhaps a foot.
Speaker 1:She had gathered a left and right femur, which is the upper bone in your thigh, left and right tibia, which is your lower leg bone, a fibula, which is also our lower leg bone, a rightia, which is your lower leg bone, a fibula, which is also our lower leg bone, a right humerus, which is your upper arm bone, part of the right ulna, and that's a bone that's in your forearm, kind of like on the thumb side, right, the left. I can't pronounce it so I'm just going to tell you what it is A left heel bone. Hmm, left heel bone, five left ribs, a frontal bone, which is in your forehead, and a right temporal bone, which is the bone in your ear. A left parietal bone they make up the two sides of the cranium, which is your skull, and she found various bones from the left foot. They were all consistent with one child and a small child ages between one and two.
Speaker 1:She also observed trauma to the bones. So think of a child's bones like a new stick which is kind of green. It's somewhat bendable, you know. You can bend it without it like snapping per se. Now think of a stick that is old. When you try to bend that stick it'll just snap in half and this is due to the moisture content. It's the same way when we talk about human bones. A child's bones are harder to break because they are still growing. They're a little bit flexible. The older we get, the more brittle our bones become, and a broken bone looks different under the microscope depending on the age of the bone. An older person may have a clean break because the bone just snapped, as a child's break would not be so clean, you know, it could be kind of jagged right and if you break a bone the healing process begins immediately, kind of like, uh, what I've talked about in previous episodes on the inflammation that begins when trauma is put on the body. If no healing is present, then obviously the person was deceased when the bone was broken. Now she could tell that the trauma to his bones either happened at death or after, as there were no signs of healing. And this is kind of comforting because it shows that at least during his short life of abuse from his mother she didn't break any bones that had been recovered from the landfill.
Speaker 1:Upon interviewing daniel, he stated that he didn't wake up during the night. He had went to sleep after paul came in and didn't wake up till his alarm went off. All was well when he went to bed and he remained well until he got a call at work. He said he had his phone all night and she didn't have access to it because he kept it under his pillow because she liked going through it. Hmm, sounds like a guilty conscience, yeah, and insecurity. When asked about his relationship, he said there wasn't anything left, the feelings had dissipated and the only reason why he was there was because of the kids. He said he stopped arguing with her. If she didn't get up to go to work he would just leave her.
Speaker 1:When he got the kids up in the mornings and took them to the sitter's house, he would allow her to get extra sleep and once he dropped them off, he would come back to the house and pick her up and they would go to work. Like how many men would do that? I can't think of any. He wakes up, gets three kids ready in the morning that are not his, that are, yeah, only one's his the baby and feeds them, takes them over to the babysitters, drops them off, comes back to pick up his wife to go to work Not many. He's also the one that feeds them, bathes them, puts them to bed, like everything. Who needed her? I don't know. I don't know. He said they both needed to work because they had to get their own place and the babysitter was going to begin charging them a fee for their daughter.
Speaker 1:Now he was confronted with apparently had some empty fireball bottles in the car. He admitted that was his. He straight up admitted to his faults and the defense tried to get him to lie about it or make him look like a piece of shit, but it backfired and I commend the person who admits their faults and mistakes and tries to learn from them and not blame somebody else for their behavior. Exactly, I hate that. He said when he got up that morning he tried to wake her up and when she didn't get up, he left. He said he didn't turn on any lights or make any noise because he didn't want to wake up the kids. He broke down when they asked him if he had looked in on the kids before he left, because he did not. He said he wished a million times over that he took the time to check on them before he left.
Speaker 1:But I can't blame him. I mean, you go to sleep the night before. All is well, they're in their bed, everything's fine. You get up the next morning. You're trying to be quiet, don't want to wake up the kids, you know, and go to work. He's considered enough not to make noise and not to turn the light on. You know I wouldn't think oh, let me go check on the kids before I leave. Right, the mother's laying there. Nothing happened in the middle of the night that you know of right, he's got work. I mean, yeah, and he's just, it's a normal day to him, a normal night.
Speaker 1:Right, tears came and he also had a shaky voice. Now, hindsight's always 20, 20, um. But again, I can totally understand why he didn't check on him. He said he left through the back door and that ADT report confirms the time when the back door was open and closed and it was at the time he had stated. He said he second-guessed the Orgel story. He said they had Orgel at home. It was behind the mirror in the bathroom.
Speaker 1:He would try to get her to tell him the truth when they had been in the hotel and she would just blow up on him stating that he was on the fbi side and she was so tired of being questioned about everything. And here we go, wow, when she should be comforted and needed everyone's support. Oh, it's all about her. I honestly think she killed him to get rid of him. That's going to settle one of her issues, yeah, I think. And to get all that attention and stuff. That's going to be the second, because that's what she desired. Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 1:He was also taken back when she said she had told the police that quentin's dad sent her a message a week prior to that that she didn't deserve having him, when that's true she didn't deserve having him, no, but she had never told him that she had gotten a message from his father and he thought that was unusual. If he really did in fact contact her now. He was desperate to find Quentin and he allowed the police and FBI to do whatever they could to help him. I would honestly hate to live with this lady, the way she blows up on him while he's, he gently questions her and he's just telling her that he's just trying to understand and make sure that he's doing everything he could to find him. But again she would just blow up on him and just talk about.
Speaker 1:You know she needed support and attention and stuff, um, but I don't understand how you can hate a child that hasn't even celebrated their second birthday. No, she's her child. How can you hate your child? I don't know. I mean, how can you hate any two-year-old, your child? I don't know. I mean, how can you hate any two-year-old? Exactly you know, um, she stuck with her story as she repeated the lies about the orgel daniel once again. So he asked her why didn't you just use the ambasol, and she said it didn't work. So she wanted to try the orgel. Now that's strange, because ambasol has lidocaine as its active ingredient, which usually lasts about 35-40 minutes. Orgel's main ingredient is benzocaine and it lasts I don't know like 15 minutes or something. Lidocaine is stronger than benzocaine, so you would think that the Amazon would work better than the orgel.
Speaker 1:Way she had a tooth pulled. She had clearly been to a dentist. I'm sure she had pain medication. That, I mean, it's the point. And the fact that she's still trying to take up for herself. She's already caught right, she knows it.
Speaker 1:What's the point of her continuing? I don't know at this point. You know that's what blows my mind about people that commit murder like that. Well, you know, a lot of them are so narcissistic, they believe that they're smarter than everybody else and they believe their own damn lies. So he also asked her why she is so angry and defensive. Every time he asked her about Quentin's disappearance, she was like I'm not. And he was like you've never been this defensive before. She said it was because she was being asked the same questions over and over again. Well, if your story didn't change or if the story lined up with the evidence, they wouldn't be asking you over and over again. No, but there's a problem. You know, your interview and your story doesn't match with the evidence that they have, which is pretty solid.
Speaker 1:It's, it's a video. Yeah, here's the thing. I mean, it's just what drags out this kind of stuff for so long deny, deny, deny, and then it's the burden of proof every time. Yeah, now they were familiar with the trash at azalea trailer park because that's where they would haul their garbage and dump it. Uh, they didn't go to like the regular landfill, like normal people would do. They took it to that trailer park and just dumped it in their dumpster.
Speaker 1:Um, a pediatrician testified that quentin was healthy and was on task on his milestones, but she only saw him with his grandmother. She never met his mom before and she reviewed his entire medical history and he had no illnesses, diseases or anything that would cause him death at 20 months. Now, once the police got the video showing that she was seen dumping something to that trash can in the middle of the night, they contacted the company who picked up their garbage and they halted all trash getting dumped at that spot at the landfill. They went to the landfill to begin a search for Quentin, but by this time he had two days worth of compacted trash on top of him. But, regardless, they were going to search for this baby and give him the proper burial that he deserved. When being questioned again about the incident, they informed her that they were looking in the landfill for quentin and they said that they were going to find him. And she said well, he's not in a bag. This was before they told her they had found him because they were still searching. They hadn't found him at this point. She also told the detective that she was going to get a memorial tattoo of him. When do you get a memorial tattoo when they're dead? So how does she know he's dead when they don't?
Speaker 1:She incriminated herself yeah, now when the police told her mom and dad when they did find him, and her brother and Daniel, they all broke down in total anguish. They finally found him. Her mother said wait, someone put my baby in the trash. Yep, they did, and it was your baby that put him there. I can't imagine being that mother. How brutal that had to feel. Oh, I know, I mean, that's like double pain. Yeah, you love your daughter. You also love your grandson and you can't believe that you gave birth to a child. Who could do this? Who could do that? Yeah, now get this.
Speaker 1:Leilani told the police that the reason all of her stories didn't match and it looked like she was lying was because she was giving them her theory on what happened. She wasn't actually lying, they were just her theories, oh yeah. And she also said that Daniel was the one who told her the story about the orgel. She was innocent. All of this. She said he was the last one to see Quentin. He texted the babysitter. He's the one that called the police and he was the last one to see Quentin. He texted the babysitter, he's the one that called the police and he was the only one that had the keys to her car. Well, if it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck, I'd call it a duck.
Speaker 1:At the landfill they did find Quentin. They found fragments of bone. They didn't find all of him, but it was enough to do testing to prove, using his DNA from his bones and the DNA from his father and Leilani, that it was in fact 20-month-old Quentin. God love his little heart. One officer broke down on the stand while she described finding a portion of Quentin's skull. Toxicology testing was also done and it was negative. Sizz was ruled out due to his age, but they couldn't determine the cause of death. But the manner of death was homicide.
Speaker 1:When confronted with this, leilani stated that she didn't remember going to the trailer park unless she was just dropping off some trash. So we never did find out what the cause of the baby's death was or how she did that. No, she'll go to her grave with that knowledge, I'm sure, because she's lied this whole time. Yeah, daniel and paul stated they always took out the garbage in a truck. They never took trash out in her car. And she conflicted herself in the same interview. But you're supposed to believe her. When they asked if she could have killed him, she didn't say, she didn't deny it. When they told her that they believed that she killed him, threw him in a dumpster, again she didn't deny it. They arrested her. Good, now the jury found her guilty on 14 counts of making false statements, guilty of malice murder, guilty on two counts of felony murder and guilty for false reporting of a crime.
Speaker 1:I just wonder why they didn't charge her with abuse of a corpse Because there was evidence of that. Yeah, that's, I mean, they recovered him, but they don't have a cause of death. Well, you don't need one for abuse of a corpse. If they don't have a cause of death, well, you don't need one for abuse of a corpse. Basically, abuse of a corpse is Getting rid of a body. That is not like the legal way. Yeah, well, the reason I said that Is because that They've got a dead body. So, but how do they rule it a murder If they don't have the cause of death? Well, the fact that if the baby just died, the baby just dies, the baby doesn't sickness, doesn't cause it to be put in a dumpster and be covered up. Yeah, and there was no medical reason for the child to be dead. Right, when the pediatrician looked over the records, you know, there was nothing. There was no disease or anything that he had had that would maybe cause a death later.
Speaker 1:I mean, you and I every I'm just saying it for hypothetical reasons right, because somebody out there is going to use that technical thing yeah, you know, or would have used it like, how can you call it a murder if you don't have a cause? You don't have a cause of death. Yeah, it's just almost like. You know, you can prove a murder without a body now just by circumstantial evidence. Oh, you know, the proof of life is not there. They haven't used their debit card. They haven't been seen. They haven't, you know, used a phone. They haven't used their social security card. You know it can be an assumption of death based on it's, a knowledge. Yeah, it's like circumstantial evidence and sometimes I think I think in a lot of circumstantial cases that they're stronger in that than like this case. Yeah, because no one saw her kill him. There was no like DNA or whatever to, you know, in a knob or anything like that.
Speaker 1:She's not technically came out and admitted it. They've just caught her in statements saying the things Disposing the baby and everything that she said was a lie. Yeah, I mean she could have easily smothered that baby and that's not going to show up on bones. No, I mean, if she choked him, it would, because you know it would affect the hyoid bone, but not just smothering. Her slip up about the memorial tattoo and the timing of that was probably very critical to that. That.
Speaker 1:And those videos, yeah, you know, showing that she was lying, showing that you know she put something in that trash can and then that trash can got dumped at this particular site, in this particular area. And when they went to search that particular area, that's where they found him and the bones and dna lined up. Yes, and it was him. So who else put him in that dumpster? Right? Got her on video doing it? Yeah, and why would you? Why would you throw a baby away if it just out of natural causes? Right? You know what I mean. So it wasn't until the judge had dismissed the jury when she began to show slight emotion. That's when tears streamed down her face, probably because she knew she was fucked. Yeah, and probably likely just for her own sake.
Speaker 1:And she gets sentenced on November 21st, 2024. Excuse me, 2024. And when this happens, I will post an update to our website. Excuse me, 2024. And when this happens, I will post an update to her website. That website is wwwsouthernsassproductionscom and I will let you know what she got. Now she is facing life in prison. So I'm assuming I hope they don't have the death penalty in that state, because if they did, I would wonder why there wasn't seeking the death penalty. But that wraps up the story of Quentin and his short little life.
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